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boarderx · Dec 19, 2007, 01:55 PM // 13:55

i see a lot of mixed opinions on tanking and i was wondering something...Do you feel a tank is necessary or no?

What about in HM or elite areas?

Tyla · Dec 19, 2007, 01:56 PM // 13:56

dont, theyre baed
do damage!!

boarderx · Dec 19, 2007, 01:58 PM // 13:58

what if you can hold aggro, do massive dmg, and absorb lots of dmg?

Stormlord Alex · Dec 19, 2007, 02:00 PM // 14:00

Tanking characters are bad.
Taking aggro with a prot monk behind you isn't bad.

boarderx · Dec 19, 2007, 02:04 PM // 14:04

ok what about this...

What would you guys define a tank as?

boarderx · Dec 19, 2007, 02:26 PM // 14:26

well any type of aggro holding is tanking isnt it. a group should have a prot monk in it anyway. I ask these questions cuz i see so many bash tanks. Maybe i use the term tank different then most.

here my personal definition i guess...
Tank - some one to pull the mob and hold aggro. They generally have higher armor or self heals to help absorb dmg. They should be able to survive a couple seconds whlie aggro gets "locked" on them until the prot and healing monks get close enough.

the tanks build - should be set to help absorb dmg and counter any other distinct effects that would hinder the tank from proper tanking
i.e. - an anti KD skill
After the defense is set, work the rest of the build to deal dmg. Or in my case when i set for tanking...maximize dmg with as few skills as possible then round out the bar with some defense (works really well in my xp).

Perhaps i am just spoiled by having a solid guild/alliance that my view of a tank is slightly skewed from the rest of you. I PVE tank a lot with my derv and also in HM and i am strongly against the Obsidian Flesh builds, they are pointless (i dont DOA much so i cant vouch for that area). I just dont see what all the fuss is about for "NEEDING ob flesh especially in HM!" I guess im posting since i dont see the reason for all the tank hate but if im considering a tank something different from the rest of you then yes i hate tanks.

if you view tanks as someone that does no dmg and loads up on all defense then yes, i too dislike tanks.

if you view a tank as someone that can hold aggro and still do dmg then no, i do not hate tanks.

Tanking Slavers Exile is so much fun (but i honeslty havnt done much of it in HM since you can do it all in NM then do Duncan in HM), and by tanking i mean im hitting for 100s of dmg while holding aggro and also absorbing dmg letting the monks handle the rest of the party with little attention needed my way.

anyway, im a fan of tanking, dealing crazy dmg and making the job for the monks easy. but if you want me to run Ob Flesh, nty

Proff · Dec 19, 2007, 02:32 PM // 14:32

A tank is never mandatory, just with the case of most pugs it's usually the safest way to finish elite areas, as for vanquishing they're basically useless cause if you can't fight off a couple level 26's you shouldn't be in hm.

boarderx · Dec 19, 2007, 02:37 PM // 14:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Proff

as for vanquishing they're basically useless cause if you can't fight off a couple level 26's you shouldn't be in hm.

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very true, lol

when vanquishing i usually set my bar for dealing dmg and then throw in some dmg absorbing for the initial aggro, my main concern is dealing dmg while holding aggro

steel singer · Dec 19, 2007, 03:33 PM // 15:33

boarderx, now I'm interested to see what kind of 'tank' build you have for you dervish then?

~ Dan ~ · Dec 19, 2007, 03:39 PM // 15:39

Blah Blah Blah.

In answer to the thread title... "No".

Squishy ftw · Dec 19, 2007, 03:44 PM // 15:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by boarderx

if you view tanks as someone that does no dmg and loads up on all defense then yes, i too dislike tanks.

That's what I consider a tank, and yes,that's useless in like 99.9% of the cases.

Quote:

Originally Posted by boarderx

if you view a tank as someone that can hold aggro and still do dmg then no, i do not hate tanks.

That's..a warrior. You pull and try to hold aggro while owning some serious face while you got monks(and passive defense from other partymembers) to keep you alive and kicking.

My 2 cents.

Sir Pandra Pierva · Dec 19, 2007, 03:46 PM // 15:46

Tanks No

Warriors/Dervishs/whaterever that owns shit in the face yes

boarderx · Dec 19, 2007, 07:02 PM // 19:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by steel singer

boarderx, now I'm interested to see what kind of 'tank' build you have for you dervish then?

its not all about a "certain build" it about understanding how your foes react to the aggro, knowing what skills they use and what to watch out for, and how to counter the things that are devistating to effective tanking (or aggro holding). i have many builds i use in different areas. Each maximizes the dmg potiential for that elite (or whatever would be the base of the build) then add in the most efficient self healing methods or dmg reducing methods.

when i tank i dont stand there and hope they keep hitting me, im C-Spacing my ass off and thumping them too. A guildie and i did a run to Duncan with h/h and made it to him in 15mins (if i remember right). When the aggro holds are done right the game is a breeze. With my guildies it isnt uncommon for us to do all of Slavers in about 2.5 hours.

I keep bringing up Slavers cuz it is a prime example of what a good tank can help accomplish (and remmeber i mean tank as in holding aggro and hittin em hard, not a lame Ob Flesh bla bla).

im asking these questions and making this post cuz i dont see why there are so many ppl bashing tanks when they can be very critical on getting things done easily.

A tank doesnt have to sit and hope to get hit, i tank can do serious dmg as well.

btw i love great dwarf weapon, lol

Turtle222 · Dec 19, 2007, 09:31 PM // 21:31

Tanking is bad. dervs can dish out nice DPS - why ruin it for them :'(

Marverick · Dec 19, 2007, 09:36 PM // 21:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

A tank is a tracked armoured combat vehicle designed to engage enemies head-on, using direct fire from a large-calibre gun and supporting fire from machine guns.

It does not say "Soak up enemy fire and be invincible" anywhere in that...

So yes, do try to tank please, AKA KILL STUFF

Nightow · Dec 19, 2007, 09:50 PM // 21:50

This thread makes GW sound more and more like a FPS.

Don't we already have enough FPS?

Nyktos · Dec 19, 2007, 10:08 PM // 22:08

tank (RPG)
1. Noun. A character with a bunch of defensive skills that is all but invincible but doesn't do anything.
2. Verb. To hold aggro for extended periods without dying.

Definition 1 is a crappy character used by people who are bad at the game. Definition 2 is what all Warriors and Dervishes should be attempting to do, at all times.

MisterB · Dec 19, 2007, 10:11 PM // 22:11

Tanks are bad because they slow down the party while the tank gathers aggro. In bad parties, or bad builds collected in a party, a tank can make the bad party think they are not bad. Body-blocking, on the other hand, is good in some areas, but that is a tactic independent of your build. See Stormlord's post, above. Also, why did you cross-post this thread?
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10234241

Coloneh · Dec 20, 2007, 01:58 AM // 01:58

no

Quote:

Originally Posted by boarderx

what if you can hold aggro, do massive dmg, and absorb lots of dmg?

you cant.

cellardweller · Dec 20, 2007, 02:24 AM // 02:24

Yes I bring tanks, but only good ones.

Bad Tanks sit there like a lump and have bars like Obsdian flesh, stoneflesh aura, Mystic Regen, Vital Boon, Armour of Sanctity.

Good tanks speed up killing by bodyblocking and concentrating the mobs in AoE while dishing out pain, leaving the job of protecting/healing to their monks. They have bars like Avatar of Lyssa, Eternal Aura, Mystic Sweep, Erimites Attack, Protector's Strike.